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  Rolf Furuli's accusation about VAT 4956 being tampered with?

  by possiblepineapple in

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  i'm sorry but can someone here explain what this is about.

  i saw someone on here called scholar on here saying that it somehow destroyed both coj and hermann hunger but how?

  how does rolf furuli know that it was tampered with?

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  cha ching

  Why would we doubt Rolf Furuli?

  He is a famous person!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYl1F1zocwA
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  suggestions for elder a nd co visit

  by Shaul in

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  2. friends

  getting a visit tommorow our kids that are in are concerned as to why we are missing meetings.

  our family is basically ignored by the congregation long story we just don't want to go anymore.

  i have told the kids how rotten i have been treated and also i have had some seriou health issues but you know you should still be at the meetings.

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  YAY! Glad you made it... :-)

  Try to use your time getting close to your kids, having funtimes!

  Creating good memories :-) Close bonds will be a factor for the future.

  Maybe some of your 'cult minded 3' stay in because of friends??

  If their friends leave, or circumstances change in the congregation, they'll still have YOU!

  One day at a time, and give yourself time to heal.

  hugs, cha ching
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  The only TEST allowed. . .is the test of LOYALTY in others

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what you are not permitted to see, examine, test or question is where the magician hides his deceptions so the magic may be passed off as real.. tyranny commences with certain assumptions which are not only unchallenged, but which may not be allowed a challenge.. these assumptions become, in effect, articles of faith on the one hand, and tests of loyalty on the other.. accepting the untested leads to magic-thinking.. .

  in italy during world war ii, the fascist leader mussolini was said to be "always right.

  " the brutish dictator magically knew somehow.. no counter-examples were permitted to be printed, spoken, discussed or debated without immediate punishments.. in japan, the emperor was said to actually be a god.

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  cha ching

  Terri, we feel ya man!

  “magician hides his deceptions so the magic may be passed off as real. ”

  “What was demanded in each instance (above) was the total acceptance of an unproved and assumed truth as the foundation to belief and acceptance followed by unstinting efforts in loyalty and obedience. ”

  In each of these authoritarian rulers, “change” was the hook. Then, they demand conformity.

  Just because there is “a change” does not mean it is “good.”

  Even the Bible agrees:

  (Proverbs 24:21-22) 21 My son, fear Jehovah and the king. With those who are for a change, do not intermeddle. 22 For their disaster will arise so suddenly, that who is aware of the extinction of those who are for a change?

  Pol Pot, in Cambodia, with the Khmer Rouge:

  The Khmer Rouge forced around two million people from the cities to the countryside to take up work in agriculture. They forced many people out of their homes and ignored many basic human freedoms; they controlled how Cambodians acted, what they wore, whom they could talk to, and many other aspects of their lives. Over the next three years, the Khmer Rouge killed many intellectuals, city-dwellers, minority people, and many of their own party members and soldiers who were suspected of being traitors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

  As you’ve pointed out, Terry, the history of the Watchtower Society fits this same pattern.

  “Let’s change!” “How dare you question us!”

  “Execution” (by disfellowshipping)
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  suggestions for elder a nd co visit

  by Shaul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting a visit tommorow our kids that are in are concerned as to why we are missing meetings.

  our family is basically ignored by the congregation long story we just don't want to go anymore.

  i have told the kids how rotten i have been treated and also i have had some seriou health issues but you know you should still be at the meetings.

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  cha ching

  So, what happened Shaul?
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  suggestions for elder a nd co visit

  by Shaul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting a visit tommorow our kids that are in are concerned as to why we are missing meetings.

  our family is basically ignored by the congregation long story we just don't want to go anymore.

  i have told the kids how rotten i have been treated and also i have had some seriou health issues but you know you should still be at the meetings.

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  cha ching

  Dear Shaul,

  If you have been hurt, end it now. Don't let them hurt you again.

  I went to an "elder's meeting" and during it, I was crying/ wailing for 2 hours from the bottom of my soul because they were so ignorant, I couldn't leave (other congregation meeting going on outside) and I had nightmares EVERYnight... post traumatic stress, for at least a year afterwards.

  I would never give them that power over me again.

  Tell them "I cannot mentally, physically endure such stress, and for my own health, cannot afford this "shepherding" call.

  love & hugs, cha ching
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  "These," "Many," "All" witnesses will soon dutifully "just love the new teaching" when it is revealed by the Holy Spirit...

  I mean.... the "GB"

  cha ching
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  At? Schmat! FOR? what a Bore!

  The only reason at/for was ever included in the “discussion” was to give the WTBS a way out, if they evidently ever needed a “get out of jail free card” .. right?

  Those 'soon to be' old quotes do / willcome in handy, don’t/ won't they?

  Meanwhile, “these nations”, “all the nations”, “all these lands”, "many nations" let’s list the nations, (Jer 25:17-26) “will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years”….. ALL of them…. Period….

  Con men always get you to doubt your own eyes.....
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  The Definition of Insanity: LOYALTY TO THE GOVERNING BODY

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the definition of insanity boils down to expecting success by repeating actions which cause failure.. .

  jehovah's witnesses are expected to prove their loyalty to the organization by believing and practicing what they are told.. does this lead to success or failure?.

  ask the thousands of loyal believers who were led to expect armageddon in 1914, 1925, 1975!.

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  cha ching

  Funny Terry, my husband was just saying, "I could start a blog right now using:

  "Policy Failure = G.B. failure = No H.S.= Who cares what the 8 men think now"

  I said, "Sorry dear, Terry just did it"
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  Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  we've all heard the old saying:.

  any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

  in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

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  Exactly BudBayView!

  If "the Son of God" doesn't put Thomas down for "certainly not believing,"

  "unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side" John 20:24-28

  then "who is mortal man", the GB, to put anyone down for requesting the same?

  Hmmmm?

  Oh yeah.... the "faithful and discreet slave"

  the ones who "follow in Christ's footsteps", the ones who "nurture his sheep"

  Christ's example:

  Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: "May YOU have peace." 27　Next he said to Thomas: "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing." 28　In answer Thomas said to him: "My Lord and my God!"
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  Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we've all heard the old saying:.

  any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

  in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

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  cha ching

  HaHa EyeUse2badub!

  That was a good laugh!

  "I was really in the "GUESS"!

  cha ching